How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan – 257
How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan – 257
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When we talk about racism in America, we tend to focus on the harm inflicted upon people of color, while rarely focusing on the ways that white people indirectly benefit from a racist culture. Author Tracie McMillan explores this concept of The White Bonus in her latest book, exploring the tangible…
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Black people listening to this conversation are saying to themselves, ‘dah’🤷♂️
The welfare queen was not blk. She was a wht women. Look it up.
It was a consequence that they did not consider.
Wht racism cuts off its nose to spite its face because they did not want blk people to benefit frm what they are benefitting from.
Exactly! That is what it is.
Honesty is one thing segregationist destroyed and revisionist history builds lies in white communities in real-time. The homestead act started the white handouts and the 1866 immigration bill was put in place to undermine Freedman descendants progressions right after the civil war. Undermining of re construction was to build up confederate families in the south. The thing people don't get is Freedman aka FBA'S descendants lived through all these white privilege and tyrannical governance. Newspaper articles in these times will give you a clear view of the hatred and undermining in real-time. Unapologetically, justice and Truth should matter. Reparations heals!
The host speaks like a true East Coast white liberal. The sarcasm of "not receiving the check"…
EXCELLENT HONESTY!!!!!!!!!!
You folks are hurting your own kind more…keep watching 👀
Lady..we're…Black, Melanated,Swarthy..what the hell is coloured..another name youu non-coloured folks gave us…🖤🖤🖤👌🏾💪🏾🙏🏾👍🏾👏🏾
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The more we realized the problem and promote awareness the more united we'd become. People have to stop being oblivious to our surroundings.
When ever aperson do good they're doing it to themselves and wehe they do bad they're doing it to themselves. So to nice is better than evil! All the laws that were put in place to harm people of color,is coming back to hurt many people.
How come ots always the upper class white liberals who imagine theres some benefit to being white ? Workingclass white people certainly dont get any advantage out of it. Maybe not having to actually work for a living has clouded their judgment. I think that can go for more than a few types of people. If half your income is going to rent the other half to gas , you arent thinking its a privilege.
The brown people in California are doing just fine. Aside from whites, they get all the jobs & government assistance.
The question is WHY? All people are human beings worthy of life to fullest.
THAT'S TRUE!!!
Being considered "BLACK," is a real thing, regarding "ACKNOWLEDGING" the "UNIQUELY" INSIDIOUS African-American Experience, in the "RACIST/WHITE SUPREMACIST" (Artificial-Political-Construct) SYSTEM CONTEXT!
But, "MOST IMPORTANTLY" WHEN will, so-called, "BLACK" people, "COLLECTIVELY" ACCEPT "ACCOUNTABLE" to BEHAVE "RATIONALLY," to "MITIGATE" the "INSIDIOUS" DAMAGES resulting from "OUR" UNIQUELY ("BLACK")/AFRICAN-AMERICAN experience!
Until the "ARTIFICIAL-POLITICAL-CONSTRUCT" category of the the "PLANET'S" (99%) "OPPRESSED," so-called, "WHITES," Blacks and "ALL" Other "POOR/WORKING-CLASS" (HUMAN BEINGS) start working together, as "BROTHERS and SISTERS," the SOCIOPATHIC (1%) "WEALTHY RULING-CLASS CORPORATE ESTABLISHMENT OLIGARCHS" will continue to PERPETUALLY "ENSLAVE" the "ENTIRE" PLANET'S (99%), as "THEIR" Personal "HUMAN" BEAST-OF-BURDEN ("Whites," Blacks and "ALL" Others),
Left only to "DIE AS FOOLS!!!"
typical ragebait
Are the municipal swimming pools disappearing from the towns? Actually as a Black man I don't like swimming in a huge municipal because not everyone is clean. I prefer private pools or the pools at the workout gyms and those on military bases
Nobody told me about this man!!!! I love him already ❤
As an American Black man returning from a year of Vietnam in 1969, I had no problem getting access to the GI Bill for college education. Then later for housing. I found it appalling that those in Dad's generation were denied GI Bill benefits following WW2 and the American-Korean conflict. The American government owes all veterans regardless of race and there must be diversity in the VA Administration. Yeah the government OWES ME! I was drafted against my will and sent to Vietnam to fight in a war that was NOT mine to fight. The Vietnamese hadn't done anything to me and the powers that be could not give me a valid reason to kill Vietnamese. Why should I fight for their rights when the rights of Black Americans was being impugned upon. I remember the turbulent 60s of the nation when riots broke out over the entire nation. Black Americans were tired of being treated as second class citizens.
You both are amazing for acknowledging this cultural phenomenon, studying it, and talking about it to spread awareness 💖
Book recommendations:
1. "The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America" by Richard Rothstein.
2. "The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap" by Mehrsa Baradaran.
CHECK THIS OUT:
Two decades ago, a Black woman named Kalisha White applied for a team leader position at Target and worried that her application had been ignored because of her race.
So she sent it back in with a different name and slightly fewer qualifications. That application got her an interview. Eventually, she won a class-action lawsuit against the massive retailer.
Two decades later, a new study shows that not much has changed.
Economists from the University of California Berkeley and the University of Chicago sent 83,000 job applications to 108 Fortune 500 employers — half with traditionally white-sounding names, the other half with distinctively Black-sounding names.
Applicants with Black names were called back 10% fewer times across the board — and even less when it came to specific companies — despite having comparable applications to their white counterparts.
Berkeley economist Patrick Kline, one of the study's authors, says the applications looked realistic. Researchers crafted resumes and automated the process of filling out employment history and personality tests.
“To our knowledge, we actually have the highest response rate that's ever been garnered from one of these studies,” he says.
Some of the common white names used were Emily or Greg, he says, and distinctively Black names used include Jamal or Lakisha. The study’s authors used these names as a way of trying to understand discrimination in the employment application process.
The study’s authors have not yet followed up with the companies. Kline says he assumes these companies would have a difficult time answering why they favored one applicant over another.
The companies were chosen based on their national employment footprint, Kline says.
Ultimately, some human somewhere makes the final call on hiring, he explains, but many major companies’ hiring decisions are spread across the U.S. and utilize screening algorithms and third party technology.
Discrimination was more prevalent at decentralized companies where the hiring process is spread out, he says, as opposed to a company in one location with specialized human resource employees.
“What we think is going on here is that some places have different hiring practices than others. In some places, it's not very internally regulated by HR practices,” he explains. “So whoever's maybe working a shift at that restaurant that day can sift through the applications and just decide who they want to call in for an interview next week. At other places, there's more hoops that you have to jump through before you can decide to call someone back.”
A trained HR specialist may be more likely to recognize bias or specifically look for diverse applicants, he says.
The study’s researchers shared their findings with the Department of Labor. Testing for discrimination is arduous, he says, so the department was interested in looking over the study’s scientific measurements of discrimination.
Legal battles over discrimination are often based on a single complaint backed by the fact that a company employs a small number of people from a certain group, he says. But since a number of reasons could explain the disparity, it’s tough to prove that discrimination exists in these cases.
By keeping the external factors constant, the study was able to show that discrimination is more concentrated than previous research found, he says. For example, the top 20% of most discriminatory firms in the study were responsible for 50% of the callbacks lost to discrimination — which surprised researchers.
“It suggests that this isn't really a needle in the haystack problem,” he says. “And it seems possible that perhaps by imitating the best practices of the companies that are doing a good job in terms of bias, that the 20% of companies that seem to be doing a very bad job can get their act together and provide a more equitable and inclusive workplace.”
Discrimination against Black names was most prevalent in the auto services and dealership industry, the study found. Kline says discrimination was concentrated in customer-facing industries such as restaurants and retail and clothing sectors.
Industries without customer-facing roles, like jobs in freight and transportation industries, showed low discrimination levels against Black names, he says.
Not much has changed since Kalisha White’s own experiment with Target. But Kline says this study suggests HR policies — such as mandating that someone higher up than a local manager sign off on callback decisions — can help turn bad actors to the good side.
While I def appreciate you pointing this info out, what drives you to do so??
White RACISTS LIE all the time. Here are the facts:
"From 2000 to 2022, in 14 out of 23 years, the overall Black unemployment rate was higher than the rate for White high school dropouts.
Across five different categories of college majors, the Black unemployment rates are double the respective White rates.
The Black teen unemployment rate is nearly double the White rate. Even when employers have little or no skill requirements, they still prefer White candidates.
The White-Black unemployment disparity is much larger within Chicago, New York, and the District of Columbia than in the nation overall." – Source: Center for Economic and Policy Research
Real talk here
White people like to pretend like there's some MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT, scientific, and "objective," race-blind mechanism to asses "merit" that somehow PRECLUDES implicit bias (which ALWAYS benefits whites because whites HAVE ALMOST ALL THE EXISTING STRUCTUAL POWER – you know, thanks to slavery, Jim Crow, prohibitions on blacks ability to attend tertiary institutions, receive credit, housing, free money and, you know, HISTORY).
CEOs, Federal and State Judges, head of school boards, the boards of directors of most companies, doctors, hospital presidents, police commissioners, the people who run most of the Admissions departments in MOST schools (especially elite schools), etc. ARE MOSTLY WHITE. The most POWERFUL DECISION MAKERS IN SOCIETY are white. So blacks are already at a disadvantage when it comes to implicit bias (because implicit bias is ONLY really important when there's a structural power imbalance, and in America that power imbalance is ubiquitous).
Go Google what percentage of BLACK VETERANS received the full benefits of the GI BILL. Tiny.
Go Google what percentage of black freemen and sharecroppers received the Homestead act. Tiny.
Book recommendations:
1. "The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America" by Richard Rothstein.
2. "The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap" by Mehrsa Baradaran.
Start with those two and then TELL ME WE SHOULDN'T PAY REPARATIONS TO BLACK AMERICANS. Please, reparations should be MANDATORY. Heck, Ronald Reagan paid victims of the Japanese Internment camps REPARATIONS. Black Americans have been through FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR WORSE than Japanese Americans experienced in those dreadfully xenophobic concentration camps. A total of 1,862 Japanese people died from medical problems while in the internment camps. About one out of every 10 of these people died from tuberculosis. BLACK AMERICANS HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING, but Reagan paid the Japanese.
White America seems to go out of their way to hate black Americans with a kind of vitriol that can only be explained by racism and fascism. Heck, SOME white people will even say "well blacks already got reparations, it's called a welfare check." Which, of course, is itself a racist statement. I think we need to PERSISTENTLY argue that America IS A RACIST COUNTRY UNTIL, and only UNTIL, reparations to black Americans are paid. Until then, we should continue to advance the notion that America is a racist country (because it is, until the empirical data suggests otherwise). White Americans, for some perverse reason, seem to think blacks are responsible for their plight. And it's a BAFFLING exercise in ANTI-HISTORY and DENIALISM. This is also another indication that America is a racist country.
I mean, if we are running a race and I (whites) get to start at the 70 meter mark, while you start at the 0 meter mark, you will invariably lose the race. And in a CAPITALIST SYSTEM, the rich (and their progeny) get richer, which means this INEQUALITIES GET OSSIFIED ACROSS GENERATIONS. The problem of the racial wealth gap, for instance, is only going to get worse. The black-white racial wealth gap is worse NOW than it was in 1962 (during Segregation). Apartheid America had LESS income inequality by race than integrated America in 2024, for reasons I've already stated.
Charles Fredrickson, a black man, invented the plane before the Wright Brothers but was never credited due to racism. Charles Drew pioneered the extraction technique for blood plasma and plasmapheresis and his achievements were ignored for years. I could go on. The ancient Egyptians were black. And the Greeks, and later the Romans, learned everything from the Egyptians. We need a properly accounting of history. That might help this discourse.
Like, irrespective of race, people BORN INTO POVERTY, have less chances to excel in school, are FAR LESS LIKLEY to attend university etc. And blacks in America have disproportionately HIGHER rates of POVERTY. Blacks are 13% of the population but make up about 44% of the total prison population. Blacks get longer sentences for the same offenses as white. Blacks are 4 to 7 times MORE likely to receive the death penalty. If a white murders a black person, they get 20 years in prison (e.g. Patrick Philip Byrne in Washington); if a black murders a white person, even if all the facts suggest it was an accident, they get the death penalty (e.g. William Henry Furman in Georgia). Why? MOST of the judges are white. MOST of the prosecutors are white. MOST of the ____(insert VERY important and powerful position here)____are white.
White people received affirmative action for centuries – Homestead act, access to credit, access to housing etc. Color-Blindness is NOT REAL as it presupposes we've reached some kind of post-racial utopia (lol). We have NOT achieved color-blindness yet because not only is racism alive and well, but it's so deeply embedded in so many different aspects of modern life that any change to the status quo will necessarily require whites to give up undeserved privilege. That's going to be tough but it's DOABLE. And yet, somehow, white people are always complaining that blacks are the ones getting "undeserved" preferential treatment when IN FACT all the data says that WHITE WOMEN have been the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action and you are MORE LIKELY to get a job as a white man without a college degree than a black man WITH a college degree. I mean, cmon. How are people supposed to ascend up the social motility ladder WITHOUT OPPORTUNITIES. Blacks are being, and have been denied for centuries, OPPORTUNITIES.
If we could CHANGE how education is funded, that would be huge. If we could CHANGE the welfare laws, that would be huge. If we could REINSTITUTE Affirmative Action (but this time with explicit pathways for young black students to attend college by having state-funded mentorship programs).
We CAN achieve this. But it will require more white people like me to give a damn. And sadly, I suspect 45% of whites are either racist or completely indifferent to racism (which, imo, is just as bad). Which, despite my patently heavy-handed approximations, is FAR too high a number. But it does leave 55% of whites who, with the right EXPOSURE to the TRUTH ABOUT AMERICAN HISTORY, will, imo, support any racial justice initiatives. 2020 gave me hope. Younger white kids, i hope, are less racist than their parents and grandparents, because if the BLM protests were any indication, there's an appetite for civil disobedience…an appetite for CHANGE. The Palestinian protests are also a HEALTHY sign that society hasn't entire lost its moral economy.
The sad part is my own grandfather, who I'm trying to love, is RACIST AS HELL. Incorrigibly so. I've tried and tried and tried to change him, to disabuse him of his racist views with facts upon facts upon facts. He REFUSES to change, and he will die a racist fool. I love him, but he is still a racist fool and, if God considers the hateful spirit of racism a sin, then he will probably not be going to heaven (I told him this to his face, and he still didn't budge). Naturally, we don't talk. I can't be around somebody that hateful. It's disgusting and IRRATIONAL. But if he's symptomatic of MANY more people (especially 60 years and over), and he assuredly is, then wholesale changes will have to be federal and paternalism (a la LBJ's Great Society).
Go read up on WHY the Equal Credit Act of 1974 was passed. Because blacks, irrespective of how great their credit scores were, were being DENIED credit.
We NEED DEI that specifically targets African Americans (not white women); we NEED affirmative action that specifically targets African Americans (not white women).
START PETITIONING CONGRESSMAN, at the local and state and federal level, that will support anti-racist policies and racism-mitigation policies. VOTE for policy makers who support CRIMINAL justice reform and EDUCATION reform (underfunded).
The irony is, states like Texas which have no state-income tax, have HIGH property taxes but they still have UNDERFUNDED school districts.
I'm hopeful that one day, we will get another Lincoln, FDR, or LBJ. A president with real power and a modicum of moral clarity as it pertains to race.
The benefits of this book should highlight the privileges given to white people which stem from the stripes, labour and pain forced upon black peoples ancestors who slaved for freedom and to build todays America 😢
A breath of fresh air 😍 this is all blacks folks are asking of white folks. A Lil Understanding 👊🏾😀
This is some "The Spook who say by the door" intel. I got to read this. 🔥
What kind of guilt tripping , covert racist discusion is this ?
Guilt tripping about inheritance , when 75 % black Americans are middle class , the combined collective wealth , equals the 15th richest nation in the world .
You dont think middle class black Americans dont give gifts or leave inheratence to their kids ? BS
Thomas Sowell points out , if black Americans wait until 21 to get married and have kids , their statistics equal white families .
Where red lining is a fact , in Chicago , called one of the most segragated cities , in the early seventies , i lived in 4 neighborhoods that were integrated .
" privaledge " is a petty shallow word to throw around , it doesnt give you wisdom , charactor , integrity , responsability .
The welfare laws that kicked black males outside the family , have done far more damage to the black community than helped .
Your discusion is so generalising and race based , so critical theory , its really filled with false narative.
There is racism , there are priblems in the black community , but , your take and solution is BS
I look to Roland Fryer , Thomas Sowell , Candace Owens , Larry Elder , Byran Donalds etc , for the truth about what is happening out here , not hack white guilt trippers like you both
Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" is an expression used to describe a needlessly self-destructive overreaction to a problem: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" is a warning against acting out of pique, or against pursuing revenge in a way that would damage oneself more than the object of one's
Hispanics in native American suffered more than black people. Millions more
Lord, I hope they don’t kill Tracy. She’s shining too many lights in dark places. The best show I’ve seen on YouTube ever in life.
WOW 😲😲😲😲., this was a great conversation. I am a black woman that is of a particular age and I have never heard a honest conversation about race between 2 white people. Then not just talking about it but being open and educated on the matter . Then discussing how they can contribute in fixing it as white people. This was the best podcast of the day for me. I will be sharing this with others. Once again WOW 😮😮😮😮😮