Mehdi and Owen on ICC Israel Arrest Warrants, with Ilan Pappé and Diana Buttu

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Mehdi and Owen on ICC Israel Arrest Warrants, with Ilan Pappé and Diana Buttu


The International Criminal Court Chief Prosecutor announced Monday that he is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. In response, ‘Two Outspoken’ hosted a special breaking news town hall for Zeteo paid subscribers where…

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  1. It is mentioned in Masnavi that he was a very generous sheikh who helped all people and worked with their money. One day he fell ill. People had apparently come to visit, but in reality, they had come to ask for their money 💰. Sheikh said that I am sick and I have no money to give you. They started whispering to each other about how to get their money. A child selling halwa was passing by. The sheikh called him to distribute his halwa among these people so that they stop gossiping.
    After dividing his halwa and being happy that he sold all his halwa at once, the child asked the sheikh for the halwa money. Sheikh replied, I have no money. The child dropped the halwa tray and started 😭 😭 What should I answer my master? He cried for hours. A sheikh arrived who wanted to pay his zakat and gave all the debts of the sick sheikh plus the money for the child's halwa.

    What was the wisdom of this story? These people did not respect the condition of the sick Sheikh. He knew that God would help him, it is God promise, but it would take time. The crying of that child hasten God's help.
    The crying of children and the killing of the people of Gaza makes God's help to be speeded up. God has promised that Israelites will corrupt the world three times. The third time I defeat you. The people of Zionism have corrupted the whole world, but the people of Gaza pay the ultimate price. The crying of the children and women of Gaza accelerates their destruction.

    ‎تا نگرید کودک حلوا فروش
    ‎بحر رحمت در نمی‌آید به جوش

    ‎ای برادر طفل، طفلِ چشم تست
    ‎کام خود موقوف زاری دان درست

    ‎گر همی‌خواهی که آن خلعت رسد
    ‎پس بگریان طفل دیده بر جسد

  2. When people are raised to believe that only their group is fully human and the rest of humanity is in fact some species of animal – which no less than God almighty himself has provided as servants for his 'chosen' people – then it's not surprising they have no compunction against mass murder.

  3. 5:53 to Diana’s point here, the investigations regarding what exactly the arrest warrants are for, are still ongoing. So it’s likely that further charges will be added and maybe further people as well.

  4. Root cause:

    "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

  5. Now 🇮🇱 zionist population has surpassed Palestinians beccause of the genocide , 🇮🇱 will no doubt go for a one state solution so they can dominate because of the ballot box.

  6. Wow what a line-up of principled thinkers and activists and journalists, mensches. Mehdi, I am more and more glad that you left — or were forced out of — MSNBC — to leave you free to pursue Zeteo. Ilan Pappe has long been an inspiration to me, who has been advocating for a free Palestine for forty some years.

  7. When Diana Buttu objects to what she sees as Karim Kahn’s supposed “two-sideism”, she mirrors the pro-Israel reaction that objects that Kahn is drawing a supposed “moral equivalence” between the two sides. The only difference is which side is seen as occupying the moral high ground.

    I’m a big fan of Mehdi and Owen, and have heard them repeatedly acknowledge that war crimes were committed on Oct 7. So I presume they support Kahn’s soliciting charges against the Hamas individuals as well as Israelis. If this is true, I’m disappointed that they didn’t push back on Diana here.

    Adil Haque, professor of law at Rutgers Law School, trenchantly notes:
    “On this point of equivalence, it’s important to understand that international law does not compare individuals to each other. It compares each individual’s conduct with their legal obligations. So the standard is not is one side better or worse than the other? The standard is the law. Is each side complying with its legal obligations?”

  8. The ICC has reached its unnatural end thankfully along with the influence of the west which has used and intended to continue using the ICC as its colonial legal stamp! The West does not like what it’s agent, Kareem did and then challenged the ICC thereby highlighting its hypocrisy and contradictions that others have been calling for over several decades!

  9. Mr. Jones, if you get a chance and re-listen to this tape, I'd be "curious" what "you" thought about how you handled your re-entry with "the others" and audience?

  10. I think it was sen Graham that was not only dismissive but was blustering and ended up relying on the Republican standard, fear mongering, by saying that, and I paraphrase, that "they do this to Israel now, if they are allowed to do this, then we are next"
    Which, to me, sounds quite like an admission of understanding that the US's actions, the arming of Israel, of the Republican cries for extermination of the Palestinians in Gaza, and at times of those in the west bank as well.

    I think that if Israel is held to account, and even further, if the US is held to account for their crimes in this and so many other different events and wars, that it will be a good thing. As much as I will more than likely suffer for the results of such an investigation and the consequences for those findings. And, personally, I will happily accept those, be happy to accept whatever there is that comes the US way. The US has been not been held accountable, the US has not joined, but they have operated in places where they do. And there is too much failure to hold America and the terror and destruction we have wrought to states and territories and with complete impunity. America needs to be held accountable as much as Israel does. As much as Russia does. As much as the next war criminal does!

  11. I guess Karim Kahn set him self a trap by having an arrest warrant on Putin. He couldn't have been so blatantly hypocritical by ignoring the calls for applying the same standard on Netaneyahu.

  12. No one invades a country to arrest due to a warrant but of the charged person leaves his country then he must be arrested wherever he goes so he can’t risk leaving his country.

  13. Can you imagine the hatred the Israelis have for the rest of the world at a moment like this? This is no laughing matter. They could end up being the first democratic nation to be brought to trial and convicted!

  14. I am with ILan Pappe. Look at how MUCH Israeli Zionism has gotten away with since before, that letter from Sir Balfour to Lord Rothschild dated November 1917 offering Palestine on a platter , at the expense of the Palestinian People. This Zionist Racket is over a century old.
    Yes, i would like to hope ,but after the blood-curdling savagery of IDF i saw reflected the huge beautiful eyes of Palestinian children who have no limbs, no parents,and no future and the wailing of mothers, the complete annihilation of Palestine, sponsored by U.S. Dispensationalism, U.S. BILLIONS of dollars, UK, European Union.
    No. I am cynical.
    I have FINALLY, seen the "term of anti-Semitism ,"
    weaponized. We can no longer ALLOW Israeli Zionists to use the Holocaust as an alibi.
    I still hear Hind's final words and her cries in REAL time.

  15. personally will be just white washing i doubt isreali leaders will face anything excluding a reputation hit. to be cynical is to see reality non of our previous war criminals faced anything why is 2024 any different?