Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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1:18 – Collapse of the Soviet Union
17:27 – Origins of Russia and Ukraine
30:30 – Ukrainian nationalism
38:13 – Stepan Bandera
1:07:13 – KGB
1:22:11 – War in Ukraine
1:58:27 – NATO and Russia
2:09:30 – Peace talks
2:23:17 – Ukrainian Army head Valerii Zaluzhnyi
2:29:54 – Power and War
2:40:45 – Holodomor
2:47:17 – Chernobyl
2:57:51 – Nuclear power
3:07:28 – Future of the world
Ok a russian shill. Gimme a break. Tsssss what a shitshow
History of Russia, Ukraine … my ass
No wonder how and what these two are talking in favor of ukraine. Элтоны джоны проклятые!
and bowl shit countifies…😷
THIS GUYS TALKS A LOT OF SHIT,HE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SLAVS
Русь is n🧐t Russia!!?
Since when?
He's a better historian than political commentator.
I wish someone would translate this conversation into Russian language, so Russians could learn and understand the history.
Bullshit
Great discussion. Very learned man.
Когда начинают додумывать за Путина, что он имеет ввиду, становится понятно сразу чьи интересы отстаивает этот "эксперт". Дальше нет смысла слушать).
This is rubbish and lies. Laughable interview!
It was a pleasure. What a clever man. We need Plokii as world President.
Everyone is rightly very sensitive about nationalism and politics today, but this was a fascinating interview.
currently ukraine is a tyranny. im sure some ukrainians voted to be part of EU or to be "free", but they did NOT vote for a war or to fight/kill russians.
High quality, So interesting, thank you
This guy is nuts….
What a moron
So why all white supremacists before war came to Ukraine for white supremacist parties and camps ? This dude is so bias damn he even has a Ukrainian name …
'USA didn't want Soviet Union to collapse' ? That only tells you how even PhD, professors etc can be total bias morons.
I guess this guy's never heard of the right sector 🙄 .good propagandist.
there is a big difference between nazi and nazi collaborator
I love it when Ukrainians pretend to be victims of the Soviet Union …. and that means "Russia. lol. Stalin (29yrs) was Georgia. 3xSoviet leaders were Ukrainian (30yrs total). That's 59yrs of the 72yr era. Yet, NATO invites Georgia and Ukraine – pretending they are victims of Russia. lol Russia gave Eastern Europe oil (Friendship pipeline) and that cheap oil later industrialized a unified Germany (another Russian gift). Russia rubber-stamped the Soviet borders when Kiev promised language and voting rights for Russians. The Maidan Junta boasted about "Ukraine for Ukrainians". They will get their wish. Who is the West's man in Moscow ? The guy who backed Minsk 2 all the way for 8yrs, the guy chosen by Yeltsin and approved by Bill Clinton – The Putin is the only Russian party leader that did NOT want to "liberate the Donbass". The Maidan Junta can have their backwards ethnic state, but it will be land-locked and neutral.
Bandera's statues are all over ukraine and well accepted by the population . Imagine if statues of mussolini or hitler were proudly standing in italy and germany 😂
What a disgusting rehabillitator of Ukro-Nazism. Note how he skipped over the pogrom of Jews which happened when the Banderites entered Lvov. His 'whataboutism' with Stalin is another example of his dishonesty. There was a genocidal ideological commonality which the Ukro-Nazis and the German Nazis shared. Including their extreme hatred of Jews. They perpatrated a genocide of Jews, Ukrainians and Russians.
this guest hit on so many topics spot on
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Thank you both ,I wish peace always
Mr. Plokhy is terribly wrong about Zaluzhny. I wonder why is he so blind on the topic. The thing is clear as crystal. Zaluzhny needs to be the next president. Zelenskyy always said that he will not be running a second time. By taking Zaluzhny out, and bringing him to a position to learn the games of politics in the position of ambassador in foreign country, gives him time to prepare for it. Zelenskyy is preparing his successor. Because no poroshenko or something similarly dangerous should endanger the countries future after the war ended. One thing is clear and should be understood: in the case of Ukrainians voting for oligarch poroshenko as next president, the western support for Ukraine, joining NATO and EU would disappear completely. Why? Because poroshenko means russianity. Means corruption. The signal to be sent to the west by voting for poroshenko would be disastrous. And poroshenko tries everything to present himself as a good guy. But he isn’t.
Ukraine of today killed Lira too.
Did you forget that the sovjet was the biggest part to get rid of the Hitlers nazists. USA wants us to believe that they were that instead, of course they helped with this with the England but not the one that were the biggest against the nazists.
What of the interference of USA and what about the collapse of the USA that is beginning today?
Great Britain is not having other countries to kolonial slaves. Thats over. France kolonial countries is also over. Now is the Russia the biggest and the strongest country. Ukraine and its nazist are beeing gone and the east regions is a part of Russia as they wanted to be that, as they wete treatened badly since 2014. The west as EU and the USA and England has used Ukraine for their own economic. Now the Ukraine is poor not a democracy as they say. No voting, no faith, no critics media., they put the opnents in jail and surved the the nazists.
Great insightful interview.
Ukraine and NATO are untrustworthy to abide by any agreement
Ukraine came to the negotiating table, and a deal was within reach with the Russians
BUT, NATO withdrew Ukraine from the negotiations.
And the Kiev Regime shelling the civilians in Donbass since 2014 was acceptable to the Ukrainians.
BUT, when Russia hit back it all became "unimaginable" to the Ukrainians ?
You mentioned the "Russian Hand" in the Donbass , But you failed to mention the "American Hand" at the Maidan
How is Ukraine a Democracy ? When the "election" outcome was exactly what Victoria Nuland described in that "phone call"
The Canadians were applauding a Ukrainian veteran that " fought against the evil Russians" BUT oops , he was on the side of the NAZIS.
And Russia (Soviet Union) Were allies of the Canadians.
So , how confused are the Canadians about their own history, let alone general history.
And how did the Germans behave ??
The Fascists of Ukraine don't want Political Power (yet), when they have the power of the gun (who are the most capable Ukrainian military units today) …….Politicians can be controlled under the threat of assassination.
Bandera was what he was ……… BUT , what type of Ukrainians are attracted to Bandera today?