Can France Be Forced Pay $ 200 Billion To Haiti ๐ค #jamaica #caribbean #france
Can France Be Forced Pay $ 200 Billion To Haiti ๐ค #jamaica #caribbean #france
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Yes we want our money,always make Haiti look like a poorest country when they all know it's not true
Come together leader of Africa do the best for all Haiti God bless Africa
In the first place, 1) WHAT CARRIED FRANCE TO HAITI? 2) WHY WAS FRANCE IN HAITI? YES, France should pay $200 billion to poor Haiti. That is a good lesson to learn. What took France to Haiti? What was France doing in Haiti? France must pay the $200 billion.
Yes French government must pay the money back
Haiti will rise and BLOODSUCKERS will fall
Hi twins. You must do a followup on the missionary who was cleared of attempted murder.
Stop saying Haiti is poor. Haiti has over 20 billion in gold.
France dont have 200 billion unless they steal it from Africa
๐ช๐ช YES ! WHY NOT? NO QUESTION ABOUT ITโฆ FRENCH FRYER MUS PAY, STEALING, LOOTING, LIES TO COVER MORE LIES. 500 BILLIONS PER YEAR, U TAKE OUTTA AFRICAN CONTINENT PLUS STOCK MARKET U INVEST THE MONEY U STEAL. TIME IS UP, U MUST PAY NOWโฆ
Ivory Coast ๐จ๐ฎ
No exploitations = No F r a n c e
Good Riddance ๐๐๐
When evaluating the situation of Haiti in 2024, events 50 years ago matter much more than events 200 years ago. Let us start with, say, year 1950.
In 1950, Haiti was 36% richer (per capita) than South Korea, in 1998 South Korea was 16 times richer (per capita) that Haiti. The SKorea-Haiti gap has been growing since. Why the difference? South Korea suffered through WW2 and the Korean War; Haiti was left untouched. The mean, rotten, nasty, rapacious International Corporations landed in South Korea to exploit, despoil, violate mercilessly the nation's land, resources, and people. All that time, said exploiter Corporations ignored Haiti. What is worse than being exploited? Answer: not being exploited at all.
Per capita GDP was nearly twice as high in Haiti as in Bangladesh back in 1950โbut by 2001, per capita output was higher in Bangladesh than in Haiti (by about 15 percent). The Bangladesh-Haiti gap has been growing since.
In 1950 the Haitian economy was more or less at the same level as the economy of the Dominican Republic. CY2009 per capita income, of Haiti = $1,340; of Dominican Republic = $8,672. The DR-Haiti gap has been growing since.
The reparation issue is a red herring. The reparations were done by 1947. In 1950, Haiti was in better shape than many countries; Haiti was untouched by WW2. Without the reparations burden Haiti will be less poor, but poor nonetheless.
Who wants to intervene in Haiti? The poverty and misery of Haiti is its best defense.
When the USA embargoed Cuba in 1960 about 50,000 haitians (seasonal workers) were marooned. In the 1960's and 1970's Cuba sent revolutionary activists (military, civilian) to Central America, South America, the Caribbean, and Africa. But Castro sent no agents to Haiti. Puzzling, given that there is a large haitian community in Cuba from which to recruit agents. A journalist asked the Cuban Ambassador to the United Nations why no agents were sent to Haiti. Answer: "Who wants to inherit Haiti's problems?"
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 5 of 5).
Haitian remittances (2018 โ 2022) (year) ($Billion per year) (population M) ($ per capita per year)
2018_____2.42_____11.0______220
2019_____2.51_____11.2______224
2020_____3.27_____11.3______289
2021_____3.66_____11.4______321
2022_____3.10_____11.6______267
The Haitian remittances are quite substantial in absolute dollars (billions of dollars, INCREDIBLE!!!), quite modest on a per capita basis ($250/year/person). A good thing (the haitian diaspora love their families still living in haiti). A bad thing (what?!?!): the remittances make Haiti more dependent and less independent. I thought Independence was an ultimate good.
Something strange is happening in Mexico: as of 2024 AD, there is a shortage of farm workers in Mexico. Why? Answer: the farm workers are going to the USA and sending remittances back to Mexico. Are there unemployed people in Mexico? Yes. Could said unemployed people fill in the farmer shortages in Mexico? Yes. Why is there still a shortage of farm workers in Mexico? Answer: they do not need to work because they are getting remittances from their relatives in the USA.
The effects of remittances in Mexico are also happening in Haiti.
The recipients of the remittances become either pure consumers or invest in non-export enterprises (low barrier entry) such as restaurants, beauty salons, home improvements, taxi services, etc.. Export enterprises such as auto manufacturing, energy production, etc. require large investments upfront and large risk exposure, something not amenable by remittances. Remittances suppress the productive power of a nation. Remittances have a narcotic effect on the recipients, just like the Welfare State has a debilitating effect on the welfare recipient (intergenerational dependency).
Haiti's source of foreign exchange (%).
(A) = Remittances, (B) = Exports, (C) = Official Development Assistance, (D) = Tourism, (E) = Foreign Business Investment
Source___(A)_____(B)_____(C)_____(D)_____(E)
2000_____37______37______14______10_______2
2005_____50______27______15_______5_______3
2010_____30______15______44_______8_______3
2015_____38______30______20______10_______2
2020_____55______18______15_______8_______4
It is not a good sign that for Haiti the remittances are becoming the majority (55% in 2020) of foreign exchange revenue. Tourism and Foreign Business Investment have flatlined in the past 20 years. In 2022 Haiti's exports were 1.3B (compared to remittances of 3.1B). Exports are (clothing = 965M) (vetiver oil = 34M) (scrap metal = 25M) (alcohol = 7M) (fruits = 11M)
(fish = 7M) (electric equipment = 10M). Meanwhile in 2022 Haiti imported more than 1.0B of goods/services from the Dominican Republic.
Yes, Haiti is getting out of the agriculture business and diving deeper into the sweatshop business. Meanwhile, the USA, Canada, Australia are the main food exporters of the world and they are developed nations.
Increased dependency on remittances assures Haiti's poverty.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 4 of 5).
Response to some Marxist objections.
(1) In 1804 there were embargoes against Haiti by France, England, USA. However these embargoes were quite porous since private merchants (English, French, American, Spanish) were still doing commerce with Haiti. In 1807 English abolished TransAtlantic slave trade and in 1808 England ended the Haiti embargo; by 1814 more than 80% of Haitian trade was with England. Besides in the 1800's England and Spain were at war with France so little military naval effort was focused on Haiti. Haiti had no military navy, no merchant marine so Haiti had no capability to pursue merchant trade, no capability to project military naval power on its own. Haiti was at the mercy of others for maritime trade.
(2) Many nations, when newly established, were not given a "welcome basket" by the community of Nations. The USA recognized the USSR in 1933 and the USSR was established in 1917. And yet there was USA-USSR trade before 1933. The USA recognized the People's Republic of China in 1979 and the PRC was established in 1949. And yet there was USA-PRC trade before 1979. These trades occur despite ideological differences. These trades occur because the USSR and the PRC had goods/services to offer to the community of Nations. By 1804, Haiti utterly wrecked its economic infrastructure and had little to offer to trade with the community of Nations.
(3) Conflict of visions between the populace (ex-slaves) and the Haitian elite (White, Mixed, Black). The ex-slaves wanted nothing more than a piece of land and cultivate it for their basic needs. Essentially the ex-slaves wanted a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy. Nation building was not on the mind of the ex-slaves. Nation building was on the minds of the elite who knew fully well that Haiti cannot be totally self-sufficient and thus needed to rebuild the economy to produce goods/services to trade with other Nations. The elite wanted to rebuild the plantation system and the ex-slaves wanted none of that!!! Henri Christophe (Black) was able to impose the plantation system in the North but at the cost of raising anger of the peasant (ex-slave) class. The peasant anger became so great that Henri Christophe committed suicide in 1820. Ironically, Northern Haiti under Christophe (Black) became wealthier (relatively) than Southern Haiti under Pรฉtion (Mulatto) who pushed for Land Redistribution, not Plantation system.
(4) Marxists sweep under the rug the occupation of the Dominican Republic. Why? Because it does not fit the narrative of Haiti being a victimized innocent. Haiti occupied the Dominican Republic from 1821 to 1844. Haitian president Boyer confiscated all church property, all lands owned by Whites, and deported all foreign clergy. Oh, but that was the second invasion by Haiti; in 1805, the Haitian Army invaded the Dominican Republic, reached Santo Domingo, and made a fast retreat using the destroy and burn tactics much favored by J.J Dessalines. Why the retreat? There were reports that a French flotilla was coming towards Port-au-Prince. Even after 1844 the Haitians did not give up; there were several minor military excursions into the Dominican Republic. Militarism, combined with Subsistence Economy, deepens Poverty.
(5) Reparations to France: the Marxists' favorite bugaboo. Were the reparations the fundamental cause of Haiti's poverty? Answer: NO. Haiti was already entrenched in Poverty by 1826 when France demanded reparations. Haiti's 1821 invasion of the Dominican Republic (DR) was a strategic error. Military adventurism and a moribund economy made for a very bad mix. France was not stupid. After 5 yrs of Haiti being stuck in the DR quagmire, France popped up and made the reparations demand. Haiti cannot fight both the French and the Dominicans. Haiti decided to pay reparations. France asked only for 1 year's worth of colonial output. In 1820, Haiti's output was only 1/40 of colonial output; that it took Haiti more than 100 years to pay the reparations is no surprise. From 1826-1844 Haiti plundered the DR of its wealth to pay as much as it can for the reparations.
(6) Often politically driven programs do not bring Economic or Societal Progress. What feels good usually does no good. Embracing victimhood (politically popular as of 2024 AD) brings no kind of prosperity. Become a victim and win a prize!!! Victims of the World, Unite!!!
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 3 of 5).
(E) Subsistence Economy. The old and recent historical data show that exports are a small part of Haiti's economy. Settling for a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy is OK. There are tribes living the Stone Age style deep in the Amazon forest and in the jungles of the Congo and Papua New Guinea for thousands of years. Subsistence Economy can be done. However the Planet is populated with Predatory Nations. Fortunately for the Stone Age inhabitants of the Amazon, Central Africa and Papua New Guinea, they have the military protection of the sovereign countries in which they live. The Amish lives in a somewhat Subsistence Economy and there is no Amish Nation: the Amish community is part of the USA and is thus protected by the USA. Trying to maintain proper military power with a Subsistence Economy cannot be sustained for long.
(F) The low trust character of Haitian society. The Haitian and French revolutions have a few things in common: they are both based on J.E.A.R. = Jealousy, Envy, Anger, Resentment. JEAR is the blood of Socialism and Communism. The concern for "equality" is the launchpad for JEAR. Words "equal(ity)", "democracy" appears
_________________________________Equal(ity)____Democracy
US Declaration of Independence_____1_____________0
US Constitution____________________0_____________0
French Constitution 1793___________3_____________1
French Constitution 1958__________10_____________4
Haiti Constitution 1805___________3_____________0
Haiti Constitution 1987___________7_____________4
All the freed slaves in Haiti were given a plot of land and then the fun began. The Ancients had it correct: give 3 people equal amount of money at sunrise and they will become unequal before sunset. Dessalines was on his way to deal with some land speculators when he was assassinated. The point is: large-scale farms are much more efficient than small-scale farms and cooperative farms in Haiti were difficult to establish and these rare cooperatives do not last long. Thus time after time, Haiti falls back to a Subsistence Economy.
Are there today (2024 AD) large landowners (you know, them evil, nasty, greedy oligarchs!)? Yes. However, in 1950, 80% of the Artibonite Valley (where rice is grown) was still in the hands of the small farmers. The national economic dynamics is still dominated by small-land farmers.
The Amish, again. Amish companies are usually no more than 5 employees. Yet said small companies frequently combine together for large tasks. The trust aspect of Amish culture is rare in Haitian society. Mind you, Amish runs a mainly Subsistence Economy, not an Industrial Economy. If Haiti were Amish country, Haiti would be in much better shape. Mind you, the Amish are not warmongers and they would not invade the Dominican Republic.
Summary. Saint Domingue was a super producer of sugar in the late 1700's because of large-scale farming. Then came Independence of 1804. Land Reform: everyone gets equal share of the Land. Consequence of Land Reform: small-scale farming which brings about at best a Subsistence Economy, a Survival Economy. Haiti thus lost the status of Sugar Super-Producer and started on the Road to Poverty. The low trust nature of Haitian culture makes difficult the establishment of cooperative farming needed for economic growth.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 2 of 5).
Marxists keep harping that Haiti was France's richest colony!!! Haiti, under the French, did produce 1/2 of the world sugar output. Wow!!! Them slaves were super-producers!!! Kick the French out and Haiti will remain super-producer and the sugar riches go to the former slaves (aka haitians)!!! Right? Wellโฆ No. The following shows coffee and sugar exports in 1785 (colonial times), 1800 (war of Independence), 1820 (16 yrs after the 1804 liberation):
Exports from Haiti (Million lbs)
Year__________________1785____1800_____1820
Sugar (Muscovado)______95______20________5
Sugar (Clayed)_________50_______0________0
Coffee_________________80______40_______25
Sugar exports fell from 145 Million lbs to 5 Million lbs, a 96% drop. What happened to Haiti, the sugar super-producer? When Haiti dropped out of the sugar game, Cuba took over the sugar commerce in a very big way. Haiti's fall from sugar had little long-term impact on the sugar market. France's economic might did not suffer much from the loss of Saint Domingue. But, but, but Napolรฉon had to sell the Louisiana Territories to the USA because the war in Haiti was so costly!!! Yes and No. Yes the war in Haiti was costly but so were the wars Napoleon was waging in Europe. Sorry, Marxist revisionists: even if France retained Haiti, the Louisiana Territories would still be sold to the USA.
Why did Haiti go down the poverty road? 6 main reasons.
(A) Sugar mills and supporting infrastructure were destroyed by J.J. Dessalines and his associates. Dessalines was very big on "coupรฉ tรชt" and "brulรฉ cay". Enough said.
(B) The Haitian people were not ready for nation building. USA and Haiti. For the USA, first was Declaration of Independence, second was War. For Haiti, first was War, second was Declaration of Independence. BIG DIFFERENCE. Years before 1776, the founders of the USA debated, argued, counter-argued about the requirements, attributes, qualities needed for nationhood, thus slowly forming a proper mindset and proper temperament of the american people for eventual nationhood. In the case of Haiti, there was first Rebellion, visceral Anger, most Righteous Anger, blood-churning lust for Revenge against the French colonists. War was engaged and won by the Haitian slaves. A war engaged without aforethought, without afterthought akin to a fight initiated by a hot-headed person driven by righteous anger. The war won, what now? Declaration of Independence of 1804 was the only valid alternative because re-inviting French rule defeats the purpose of the war. The key point is: in 1804 the Haitian people was not prepared for effective nation building.
(C) Voodoo. Take a couple steps back and look at North America versus South America. South America had a 100 year headstart over North America in the colonization game. It did not take long before North America surpassed South America in economic and military power. How come? Answer: the culture of South America is based on Catholicism which emphasizes on obedience to the hierarchy and the culture of North America is based on Protestantism which emphasizes the work ethic and salvation through good works. Anglophone ex-colonies did better than ex-colonies of France, Spain, Portugal. Voodoo played a prominent role in the Haitian Revolution and haitian culture; Voodoo has much more in common with Catholicism than with Protestantism. Catholicism is the religion of the elite. Voodoo is the religion of the masses.
(D) Land Reform. More precisely Land Redistribution. Land Redistribution in the early 1800's were politically driven, not economically driven. In 1804, at least 90% of haitians were newly freed slaves and they ALL want a piece of land. It is very understandable. Land Redistribution was inevitable; otherwise there was to be another peasant (former slave) revolt. However the land reform brought about the collapse of the agriculture economy as compared to the colonial-era economy. Under White rule Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) was the breadbasket of Africa. Under Black rule, with Land Reform, Zimbabwe becomes a Food Importer. Land Reform in itself does not improve a country's economy, it needs to be supplemented with something else like an Industrial Reform. Post WW2 Taiwan had Land Reform (before WW2 Taiwan was a colony of Japan) SUPPLEMENTED with Industrial Policy.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 1 of 5).
During its colonial days, Haitiโs slave plantations supplied over half of the worldโs sugar.
But after the slaves gained their freedom from the brutal regime and the country declared independence in 1804, sugar disappeared from the economy as small farms produced coffee, subsistence agriculture, and food for local markets.
In 1950, when Haiti was at least producing some sugar, its exports were far behind comparable countries: sugar exports in Puerto Rico were 35 times higher, and in the Dominican Republic exports were 14 times higher.
A common explanation for Haitiโs resistance to producing sugar is that Haitian culture rejected the industry because of the associated historical traumas. However Haitians went to the DR, Cuba, even Puerto Rico to harvest sugar cane so there was not much of a cultural stigma towards the sugar industry.
A major contributor to Haitiโs failure to restore its sugar economy was historical property rights institutions that created significant transaction costs to starting large-scale farms.
3 post-Independence property rights institutions: (1) a large redistribution of the former French plantations; (2) inheritance patterns on peasant land that gave every family member a veto right to selling it; and (3) a constitutional ban on foreigners owning land in Haiti.
But the property rights institutions in Haiti are important because they were not established by colonists; instead, they were created by a newly independent nation in reaction to colonists. These are post-colonial institutions.
From 1900 to 1960, sugar accounted for 76 percent of Cubaโs export value, 51 percent of the Dominican Republicโs, 46 percent of Puerto Ricoโs, and 26 percent of Jamaicaโs. Sugar contributed only 5 percent to Haitiโs exports. Less than 10% of Haiti's sugar production was exported whereas for the other Caribbean countries about 90% was exported. Since 1987 (demise of HASCO) sugar in Haiti has been a cash crop raised by peasants rather than by large-scale plantations.
Sugar Exported (Million lbs)
โฆโฆโฆโฆ..Haitiโฆโฆ.Dom.Repโฆโฆ.P.Ricoโฆโฆ.Jamaicaโฆโฆ.Cuba
1900______1_______150________200_________2_______1,000
1910______1_______250________500_________3_______2,000
1920______2_______300________700________10_______5,000
1930______3_______550______1,000________50_______2,000
1940______4_______700______1,500_______200_______4,500
1950______5_______900______1,600_______400_______7,000
In 2014, on coffee:
Country__________________Haiti______Dom.Rep.____Cuba______Jamaica
Production (tonnes)______19,500_____13,500______9,000_____1,620
Export (tonnes)_________120______1,020________660_____1,320
Export/Production (%)_______0.6________7.6________7.3______81.5
Population (M)_____________10.4_______10.3_______11.3_______2.8
Area (1000 km^2)___________27.8_______48.7______110.9______11.0
France is not paying any reparations to Haiti.
(5) Reparations to France: the Marxists' favorite bugaboo. Were the reparations the fundamental cause of Haiti's poverty? Answer: NO. Haiti was already entrenched in Poverty by 1826 when France demanded reparations. Haiti's 1821 invasion of the Dominican Republic (DR) was a strategic error. Military adventurism and a moribund economy made for a very bad mix. France was not stupid. After 5 yrs of Haiti being stuck in the DR quagmire, France popped up and made the reparations demand. Haiti cannot fight both the French and the Dominicans. Haiti decided to pay reparations. France asked only for 1 year's worth of colonial output. In 1820, Haiti's output was only 1/40 of colonial output; that it took Haiti more than 100 years to pay the reparations is no surprise. From 1826-1844 Haiti plundered the DR of its wealth to pay as much as it can for the reparations.
France is the main contributor to the downfall of Haiti and they definitely owe that country a moral and financial obligation. Other countries are involved but they are the main culprit.โคโค
Anytime a black revolutionary pops up, the west calls him a gang or terrorist. The time has come for black people regain their power they lost in the past .
YES if AFRICANS stand with HAITI and never wants to allow them in Africa
๐คฃ NO! Kenya and the US had a plan for what to do after they kicked the British out. Haiti never had a plan for life after France. If you donโt have a plan, you are better off with colonizers.
What would Haiti do with 200 billion dollars? Spend it on weapons, and cars, and clothes, from Western countries. In other words, they would give it back to those they claim to be against.
African nations owe reparations to the African Diaspora for selling their brothers/sisters/cousins to foreigners.
Reparations for transgressions which occurred hundreds of years ago are rhetorical tools of the covetous communists.
France should pay every centโค Jamaica
If they were all kicked out (Iโm mean ALL of them whyt businesses as well) the west would go broke, hungry, and cold๐ฅถ!
Haiti, had a very good president. He was over thrown by the US. He was taking France to court, for reparationsโฆโฆ When Haiti became independent, it was the richest country in the western hemisphere.
Should more like 20trillion
Yes France own Haiti$
Big time!๐ฏ
That will never happen, thy donโt have 200 billionโฆ
The French are very weak people, if it wasn't for the USA& England France would have been concerned a long time ago.โคโคโคโคโค
France should pay a lot more than that.โคโคโคโคโค
Thatโs not enough
They owe them at least a Trillion
Poor are those meddling under.
IMAGINE the commentators origine.
https://youtu.be/7jBEUdGSZLU?si=h0fXZ5vyc1vpqhju
France colonial DNA is a crime empire
Should pay for their horrendous atrocious atrocities they inflicted on their subjects and for those who died during the slave voyages too.
Excellent theory that all colonizers needs to pay in reparations too. Thatโs another check for us! Yahoo!
Thatโs France problem to concern about the ripple effect of paying slavery reparations to Black Americans. They paid Jewish people and theyโre not the real Jews. Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 tells the truth. The Hebrew Israelites needs to sue them for identity theft.
France will be back in the medieval days 20 years from now hopefully.
France is greedy.